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 Post subject: Coaches Hall of Fame
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:58 pm 
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We did the players hall of fame a few years ago, now let’s do the coaches.

Who belongs? Why? Let’s use Cooperstown’s rules on eligibility and voting.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:09 am 
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I think there's a select group that everybody knows about -- Sue, Bob Weiser, Lynn, etc.

There's a second group right behind them of mostly current coaches that have been successful and doing it for some time: Joe, David, etc.

Then there's a third group of coaches that might not have won state titles, but had successful programs for quite awhile and/or contributed greatly to the game - names that come to mind include Walt Comstock, Rae Gambler, Scott Grunder.

I think there's a tiny pool of assistant coaches that also fall into consideration like Mike Sedlack (who I know is essentially a second head coach at FC, but you get my point).

I'm sure there is a big group that Sue and Joe and some of the people that have been around for awhile could nominate as well, that are much less known to the current generation. I would nominate the coach at GHHS before Mike Bindis, Betty Hofman, who could never get over the Copley hump to win a state title, but that regularly put out teams that finished near the top of the state until her retirement in 1999.

I'm interested to see who others would nominate and why.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:22 am 
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I would most definitely put up Bob Weiser and Bonnie Molnar (South Range) as my first ballot choices, for coaches that’ll meet (or soon will meet) five years’ distance from last coaching first.

After that... so many choices. Definitely Sue; definitely Joe Bellas... as each one would be eligible years later. To round it out? Probably the coach from Ottawa Hills; probably Lynn; probably Joe Czupryn. Most definitely Jones and Sedlack. Future candidates: Alex Connor.

Also: Sarah “Doc” Vandermeer of St. Charles.

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Whoever Wheelersburg’s coach was, c. 1980’s & 1990’s, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
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First Ballot (easy) What I call the "Walter Camp Era" of coaches.

David's pre-predecessor and coach at Northmont - Carol Roberts. Was on the original OAC committee, I think, took her T-Bolts to the state finals a few times.

Walt Comstock (Turpin) - put Cincinnati quiz bowl on the map with the WCMAT and always assembling a team that contended with Walnut Hills for Queen City supremacy.

Sarah Vandermeer (St. Charles) - founder of one of the oldest tournaments in the state, always a contender for In The Know (multiple championships) and OAC monsters.

Alice Rote (Copley) - Besides coaching with Sue, Alice was a big question writer and OAC committee member. Her contributions to our sport transcend the typical ones you'd expect from a coach.

You might consider adding a wing to the Hall of Fame for "Contributions to Quiz Bowl", such as question writing, moderating at tournaments, and general quiz bowl advocacy. I'm thinking of people like Greg, Bob, and Joe C for example.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
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I agree with the names mentioned above. What are your thoughts on Sue Herman from Beavercreek? She did win three OAC state titles as a head coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
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I would have mentioned her if I could have remembered her name. I didn't know her personally, but she came off as a fantastic coach in the few times I did get a chance to talk to her. I think she would definitely get consideration.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:16 am 
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In my opinion, merely coaching a team to a state title is always a very dicey proposition. Everything has to line up right, and a great team can be upset on a bad packet. Sometimes a coach will just happen to collect four really motivated students and everything just falls into place, without the coach having to do much. Also, if someone were to coach a Cleveland or Columbus city school team to a winning record, that would probably be a much greater accomplishment than coaching Beavercreek or Copley to a state title.

I'd say that in order for Mrs. Hermann, or anyone else, to merit consideration - then there needs to be something in addition: like serving on the committee or running a tournament or league. Not just showing up, driving a van, or having a team peak at the right moment.

Our activity depends so much on just a few individuals, who do so much. Without packet writers like Bob, David, Alice and Joe, we wouldn't have nearly the circuit. Without directors like Sarah, Lynn, Sue, Bob W. and many others, we'd be more like Indiana or Pennsylvania which only have a handful of events all year to attend.

I wouldn't be in favor of just picking a coach, based on winning percentage or state titles alone.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
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Also, if someone were to coach a Cleveland or Columbus city school team to a winning record, that would probably be a much greater accomplishment than coaching Beavercreek or Copley to a state title.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:49 am 
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jrbellas wrote:
Also, if someone were to coach a Cleveland or Columbus city school team to a winning record, that would probably be a much greater accomplishment than coaching Beavercreek or Copley to a state title.


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I'd say that in order for Mrs. Hermann, or anyone else, to merit consideration - then there needs to be something in addition: like serving on the committee or running a tournament or league. Not just showing up, driving a van, or having a team peak at the right moment.

Our activity depends so much on just a few individuals, who do so much. Without packet writers like Bob, David, Alice and Joe, we wouldn't have nearly the circuit. Without directors like Sarah, Lynn, Sue, Bob W. and many others, we'd be more like Indiana or Pennsylvania which only have a handful of events all year to attend.

I wouldn't be in favor of just picking a coach, based on winning percentage or state titles alone.

I find myself agreeing largely with this. Where I would disagree though is that perhaps the criteria should be a little bit loose (because while I agree that contributions to the game matter significantly, if we looked at contributions as necessary then we might only have a hall of fame that comprises of people we already know / aka peers.)

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:00 am 
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Oh, I also wanted to note that I do agree with Joe on circuit development. Players in OH are incredibly fortunate to have the supply of tournaments that currently exist here. Only a couple high schools will host events in Western PA, for instance.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaches Hall of Fame
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I would give Bob Weiser, Noah Rahman and Greg Bossick all the credit in the world for getting the circuit and involvement in the state going through the spread of NAQT around 2004-2005. Sue/Alice, Joe and Carol Roberts did their part with the OAC circuit. In the past 10-12 years, all of their work has transcended into so many more tournaments and opportunities for teams and players, it really has been amazing.

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